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clogged up some Finnish

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and child.

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Somedays you just don't want it.

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You don't want to go on.

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It's not a feeling.

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You know, the longing, the wondering, the want to know.

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You want answers?

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Something?

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No.

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But you don't have anything?

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I won't wish this on nobody ever.

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I don't want to be a part of this.

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I don't want to be a part of this.

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I don't want to be a part of this.

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I don't want to be a part of this.

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I don't want to be a part of this.

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It's on nobody ever.

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Ever.

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Ever.

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Talking about New York City in the 1980s,

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we're talking robberies, assaults.

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It was really a bad time.

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That time was a lot of drugs going on.

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A lot of junkies, you know, addicts, you know,

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people was running down the street naked.

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When I got here in 1989, Harlem was one of the tough areas.

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It was a very violent place.

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But you know what?

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There's a lot of working people that are just trying to survive.

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And there were a lot.

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There were a lot of decent folks here.

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You had a lot of children.

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You had a lot of kids.

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You had a lot of families.

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People trying to go to work, come home,

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and make a living for their families,

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and striving to do the best they can for their families.

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What the brothers and sisters in that community,

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we were all close in it.

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Back then, my mother, my siblings, and my cousins,

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we all lived in the same building.

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Martin Luther King Towers.

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It takes a village to raise a family,

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and that's basically what it was.

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I was 26 years old, and I had two sons.

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LeBron was three years old, and Christopher was two years old.

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We gave them nicknames.

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LeBron was Poncho.

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And Christopher's nickname was Chuchu.

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To this day, I still call him Chuchu.

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He was very attached to us, as well as Allison.

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He was very, very, very close with his mother.

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He wouldn't just go with anybody.

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When Allison walked in the room, he just light up.

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His whole face a light up.

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He was very close with his mother.

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He was very close with his mother.

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He liked to cuddle.

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He always liked to cuddle.

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He was talking.

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Like, he would say words, and he could say mama.

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He could say his brother's names, you know.

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He was always outside.

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That was one of the things we did, go outside,

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sit on the bench, walk over to the park.

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The last memory that I had here,

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it was unbelievable.

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That day, I believe it was on the thermostat.

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Me and Christopher, we walked in the luncheon apart.

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We went down the slide a couple of times.

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He had a blast that day.

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He didn't really get on the big ones by himself,

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so I would slide down with him.

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He liked that slide.

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He was a very good-looking, handsome,

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and a good-looking boy.

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Carol was over there in the swings at the time.

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We were just playing with the kids in the park, you know.

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I was always happy to be outside.

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It was just so hot that everybody was in the park.

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The park was so crowded.

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I could never forget that day.

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I was like, that day lived with me every day.

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We were doing the sliding board.

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We was walking around the park

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before I actually left to go to the store.

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That was the normal thing, too.

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We'd go to the park, and then we'd go to the store

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and get the kids something from the store.

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So I had left him with my mother.

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We hugged and kissed.

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Why sound me right bad?

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I was like, I'm not going to leave you alone.

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I'm not going to leave you alone.

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He told me, I love you, Mommy.

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Something like that.

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He was like, I love you, Mommy.

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I was crowded in the park when I came back

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just like I was before I left.

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The kids was playing, so I'm looking for my boyfriend

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like, oh, he's here.

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He's here.

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So we just got up and I'm looking.

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So I'm like, I'm looking, but I didn't see him.

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So then I actually started walking around,

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trying to see if I see him.

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And I didn't see him.

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She said, we're at Chuchu.

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And I was like, well, I had a woman.

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So my yos had him in next.

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Wasn't like one person was in the park with all these kids.

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It was like five of us in the park watching the kids.

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And out of all the kids, Chuchu was only one miss.

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I know we split up.

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Some other people went on the opposite side.

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I went on the 115th street side.

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And you can tell, like, this ain't going the right way.

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So now I'm getting real anxious and nervous, like, oh, my god,

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what is going on here?

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It was just a whole woman.

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It was just a shock.

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We were just fighting and panicking.

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It was one minute he was there, the next minute he was gone.

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The officers rushed to the scene.

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Everybody takes that seriously.

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That's an all hands type of police job.

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Everybody knows how critical.

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Those first few minutes, first hours,

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are in the returning of the kids.

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The first step is always an initial canvas.

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Police would be on the streets asking to pass supplies.

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So they may have seen something that they figured

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that was out of the ordinary to them.

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Then they would be doing a building by building search,

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knocking on doors, offering reward for information.

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Looking at the apartment, there's anything

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untoward the blood on the floor.

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There's nothing that indicates there's

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struggle, there's any indication of violence.

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There were 10 towers in the development.

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And each tower has about 14 floors.

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And each floor has multiple apartments.

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So how do you search in a timely fashion for a little boy

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who's only just about two years old?

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That's a lot of people in a relatively small area.

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The magnitude of how to go on that day,

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the day is subsequently, there's a lot of work.

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There's a lot of work.

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But when you have missing children,

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you do what needs to be done.

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The cops was all around the place.

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And next I know the helicopters was all around the place.

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It was unbelievable.

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The search area for Christopher was 24 blocks.

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It was fairly close to all the beers,

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which is the north end of Central Park Precinct.

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There's a lake there.

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They had scuba in the lake looking for any possibility

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that he would be the drowned or he fell into the pond

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or something like that.

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We was panicking because we was scared.

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We was afraid.

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We was just devastating.

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You know, we're good at two-year-old B.

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You know, he don't get off and walk by himself.

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I had to go up town and go get some clothes.

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They had liked the dogs, I guess,

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to see if they could get this set of Christopher.

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They take a piece of clothing that belonged to the individual.

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Let the dog pick up the scent, nose to the ground.

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I start looking for the kid.

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The dog took up the scent.

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The search led south on Lattac to 110th Street.

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And then the dog lost the scent.

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It was a couple of hours of no Christopher.

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So, you know, you start thinking the words.

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You know, like, is this for real?

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Like, is this really happening?

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Is this really happening?

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Huh.

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Huh.

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There's an entrance to Onlattic Avenue.

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Over here, there was a hole in the fence

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where a lot of the kids would come and go.

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So there was a lot of entrances and exits.

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It's a very busy street.

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Someone could have easily put him in a cab

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and on the car, taken off.

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Parts unknown.

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He might have been coaxed with something.

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It's somehow, but, um, mm-mm.

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He was definitely not going to just will

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and he'd take somebody's hand and walk off with them.

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No.

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And if he was crying, they probably just kept walking.

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You know, people know kids cry.

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Because I know you had to be crying.

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It's not a happy place to be in this park.

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It's difficult.

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Unbelievable.

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You still, you can't comprehend how, why, who, who did it.

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What's the reason for this kids' disappearance?

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It could be a family member.

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Family relationships can be volatile

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and volatile circumstances.

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You know, the innocent people who can't defend themselves

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become the target and the focus

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for all the hostility that's between adults and the family.

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There's a very possibility that it's a custody issue,

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you know, between mother and father.

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Christopher's father was living in Florida at the time.

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He wasn't in Christopher's life, but he came back up

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and then he had met with the police.

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He answered what he knew

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because he wasn't there at the time when it happened.

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There was no indication that he was involved in any way

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with the disappearance.

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There we are back at square one.

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Sometimes you got to just take it and go on

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and look at the other theories.

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Could be a drug-related situation.

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The mom did have a problem in the past.

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Was I addicted? Yes, I was.

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I'm not going to sugarcoat it or say it any other way

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because it was what it was, and that was my life at that time.

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You know, I had a lot of guilt, a lot of shame.

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But lifestyle, she was living back then

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had nothing to do with choo-choo being taken away,

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but people didn't see it that way.

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They just, you know, they blamed the family, accused the family.

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I wasn't at it, but I love my children.

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I loved them, and I would never hurt them.

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I would never do nothing to hurt them or anything.

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So when it happened, it was truly like a nightmare.

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Like, you know, you're waking up like,

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just couldn't have happened.

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But it didn't happen.

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I was like, I'm not going to do anything.

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I'm not going to do anything.

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I'm not going to do anything.

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I'm not going to do anything.

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I couldn't have happened, but it did.

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I didn't know that that boy was missing from that park

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until my son got taken from that park.

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I wouldn't have taken my son to that park, you know what I mean?

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I wouldn't have went to that park.

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Back then, Shane was 19 months old,

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and I was 35 years old.

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I thought I never could have any kids,

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and all of a sudden, bam.

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I just called my special boy, you know.

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Yeah, he was still not talking,

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and just sucking bottles.

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Yeah.

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And just when he was sitting on the bed,

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and I gave him his rattle of the play,

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you know, so I can do something,

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clean the room up and do something.

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I didn't never cut his hair.

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Just braided it up like this, put it back like this.

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Because I said I wasn't going to cut it till he did too.

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But, um, I didn't never get the chance.

266
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The typical day for me, I work five days a week.

267
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I had two days off.

268
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That's when I take my son to the park.

269
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It was very busy.

270
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It always was crowded,

271
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because I was going afternoon or after five o'clock.

272
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First, I took him to the store

273
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to buy him some little chips

274
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so he can live alone while we're in the park.

275
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So we got into the gate.

276
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Two little kids came up to us.

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Boy and a girl.

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The girl was the oldest.

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The girls, the ten, the boys, the six.

280
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I said, we want to play with him.

281
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First, I told him to go and leave me alone.

282
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They still insisted they wanted to play with him.

283
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I don't know why,

284
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but they still insisted they wanted to play with him.

285
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So I said, yeah, go ahead.

286
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He's going on the slide, boy.

287
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Then I went and sat back on the bench.

288
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Then this man, he came and sat by me.

289
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Then I turned my hair.

290
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Then when I turned back, I didn't see him over there.

291
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So that's when I got up and started looking around.

292
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I'm looking all around in here.

293
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I ain't seen nothing.

294
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Then about three minutes later,

295
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I saw the two kids that was coming.

296
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They was coming from that side of the fence.

297
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You know, I said, what you did with my son?

298
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Then they said, well, who left them in the park?

299
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So I said, if you left them in the park,

300
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he would have still eaten the park.

301
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That's what they say, they left them in the park.

302
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And that's all they said.

303
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I just hollered and screamed.

304
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Shane?

305
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People start helping me looking for him in the park.

306
00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:11,900
Shane?

307
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But he wasn't there.

308
00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:17,900
He wasn't there.

309
00:19:21,900 --> 00:19:22,900
Shane?

310
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He's a considerable concern from headquarters,

311
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as well as locally, you know, what the heck's going on.

312
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The times of the day were similar.

313
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The days of the week that both happened on a Thursday.

314
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Five o'clock, 7 p.m.

315
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That time of year, it's light out.

316
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A lot of people in the park.

317
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There's just way too many similarities.

318
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Once again, the bells get sounded.

319
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There's an immediate search by the uniform officers.

320
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Massive interview, there's canvases of the King Tower buildings.

321
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The detectives in uniform officers.

322
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Look at the dumpsters.

323
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Look at the garbage shoes.

324
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Go through the garbage.

325
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No sign of Shane.

326
00:20:10,900 --> 00:20:14,900
We began a search for the data the last child was reported missing,

327
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which involved searching every building in this project,

328
00:20:17,900 --> 00:20:21,900
from rooftop to basement, checking elevator shafts and locked rooms.

329
00:20:22,900 --> 00:20:26,900
They got a tip that my son was buried out there,

330
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and they tear this whole place apart.

331
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They knocked down buildings, looking for them.

332
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Literally took them to the ground.

333
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Then came up dry.

334
00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:44,900
But that basically shows the lengths that we went to solve those cases,

335
00:20:44,900 --> 00:20:46,900
to find out what was going on.

336
00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:56,900
That's the first time I ever let my son play with anybody.

337
00:20:56,900 --> 00:20:59,900
Because I didn't usually let him play with no kids, no, nobody.

338
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You know, it was only just me and him.

339
00:21:01,900 --> 00:21:04,900
And that was the first time I did that.

340
00:21:04,900 --> 00:21:07,900
I said, oh, Lord, first time I did, I make a mistake.

341
00:21:10,900 --> 00:21:12,900
See, what I think will happen,

342
00:21:12,900 --> 00:21:14,900
the two little kids took him out of there.

343
00:21:14,900 --> 00:21:18,900
And whoever had him, just put his smile on it, you know, and take him away.

344
00:21:20,900 --> 00:21:22,900
The kids were interviewed at length.

345
00:21:22,900 --> 00:21:27,900
It was a belief or a suspicion that they had acted as decoys,

346
00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:29,900
and somebody stole the kids.

347
00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:33,900
Both the kids, I hang less than we were playing.

348
00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:35,900
We didn't see anybody take him.

349
00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:40,900
We turned around, and he went off and played another part of the park.

350
00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:44,900
The parents of the two kids were identified, interviewed.

351
00:21:44,900 --> 00:21:47,900
Their story came clean.

352
00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:52,900
They were checked out, and there was no indication that they were involved in any way.

353
00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:58,900
The man sitting next to her on the bench was brought in for questioning.

354
00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:00,900
He had checked out completely.

355
00:22:00,900 --> 00:22:05,900
There was no indication that he was involved in any way with the disappearance.

356
00:22:08,900 --> 00:22:10,900
We continued on with the investigation.

357
00:22:10,900 --> 00:22:14,900
It was a $30,000 reward request and information.

358
00:22:15,900 --> 00:22:17,900
They started a task force.

359
00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:20,900
There were several people assigned from the specialty units.

360
00:22:22,900 --> 00:22:24,900
The sound trucks that came through the neighborhood,

361
00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:26,900
they were looking for information.

362
00:22:28,900 --> 00:22:31,900
The information contained is please hold please.

363
00:22:35,900 --> 00:22:41,900
I seen like a truck on by, and they had that bullhorn, like, you know, making that announcement.

364
00:22:42,900 --> 00:22:45,900
When I heard it, I couldn't believe it. I was shocked.

365
00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:49,900
It was just like living it all over again, too.

366
00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:56,900
In the same community, the same projects,

367
00:22:56,900 --> 00:22:58,900
I was the odds of that.

368
00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:11,900
It's hard not to blame yourself when, you know, especially when you was there, you know.

369
00:23:12,900 --> 00:23:16,900
You was there. That's why you blame yourself.

370
00:23:16,900 --> 00:23:18,900
You was there, you know.

371
00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:20,900
You let somebody take your kids to...

372
00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:28,900
Oh.

373
00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:33,900
I didn't know, huh?

374
00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:36,900
But I empathize with her because I know what she's dealing with.

375
00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:38,900
She was a mother, a mother's son.

376
00:23:38,900 --> 00:23:40,900
Was in the park.

377
00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:43,900
Letting them play.

378
00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:48,900
And just like that, they came back.

379
00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:51,900
They came back and took another kid.

380
00:23:52,900 --> 00:23:57,900
Worst case scenario, it was some pedophile,

381
00:23:57,900 --> 00:24:00,900
or we got a serial killer out there.

382
00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:07,900
I mean, it's an awful, awful thing to consider that anybody would want to have a child that young.

383
00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:09,900
But it happens.

384
00:24:11,900 --> 00:24:17,900
After Shane went missing, it seemed like the NYPD escalated things.

385
00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:21,900
Most children that go missing, we find them.

386
00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:25,900
It's highly unusual not to find babies that go missing.

387
00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:30,900
And that's when we really started to hear a talk about a possible baby selling ring.

388
00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:35,900
This new angle seems to confirm what Harlem residents have been saying for days.

389
00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:39,900
You know, the kids being kidnapped and being sold in black markets and stuff like that.

390
00:24:39,900 --> 00:24:43,900
Those people take those children because they want to sell them.

391
00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:53,900
The possibility that anybody would be selling black infants or young boys was explored.

392
00:24:53,900 --> 00:25:00,900
And while it's an interesting theory as to why these kids were missing, it's not likely.

393
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:06,900
I think it's very difficult to pay someone, let's say, hypothetically to steal a baby.

394
00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:12,900
There was nothing that surfaced in New York City Police Department that would indicate

395
00:25:12,900 --> 00:25:16,900
that that was going on. It was just negative.

396
00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:19,900
Nothing ever surfaced.

397
00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:24,900
We had two cops, two detectives. They came every day.

398
00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:29,900
Then they have the phone tap, case anybody called.

399
00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:32,900
They had a cop in the house, 24-7.

400
00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:36,900
And then, that was it.

401
00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:38,900
It didn't come up with nothing.

402
00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:51,900
That part of Harlem is so densely populated that I don't think it's unusual that Christopher and Shane vanished into thin air.

403
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:55,900
Because there were just too many people.

404
00:25:55,900 --> 00:26:00,900
And it was way before there was a surveillance camera on every corner.

405
00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:10,900
Frustrating. It really is. I mean, especially when there's no leads to go on.

406
00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:14,900
We don't have bodies. We have two missing kids.

407
00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:18,900
You've got to have belief that maybe they survived.

408
00:26:18,900 --> 00:26:23,900
I think it's very possible Shane and Christopher are still alive.

409
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:27,900
I think they were probably taken by people who couldn't have children.

410
00:26:27,900 --> 00:26:30,900
People who were desperate to have a baby.

411
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,900
There are individuals for whatever reason.

412
00:26:35,900 --> 00:26:42,900
They can't have their own children, but they still want to experience parenthood.

413
00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:50,900
And for whatever reason, that person didn't have the ability to adopt it in normal sense.

414
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:55,900
And they would abduct the child to raise his own.

415
00:27:07,900 --> 00:27:12,900
After 30 years' likelihood of finding a child alive and well, yes, is remote.

416
00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:15,900
But we've learned to never give up on these children.

417
00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:18,900
Because we've seen amazing things happen.

418
00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:24,900
For instance, in New York City, Carlina White taken from Harlem Hospital.

419
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:31,900
Joy turned to tragedy for this young mother, her newborn baby, abducted.

420
00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:37,900
On August 4th, 1987, Carlina White, who was just 19 days old,

421
00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:41,900
was taken to Harlem Hospital with a fever of 104 degrees.

422
00:27:41,900 --> 00:27:43,900
Her parents brought her there.

423
00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:48,900
They met a woman who was dressed as a nurse, and she was comforting the parents.

424
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:54,900
And then sometime when the shifts were changing, this nurse apparently smuggled out the baby.

425
00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:58,900
Just give me my baby back please. I would smother back.

426
00:27:59,900 --> 00:28:02,900
There was a massive manhunt for this child.

427
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:05,900
Carlina had vanished.

428
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:13,900
Now to an unbelievable reunion, 23-year-old Carlina White of Georgia

429
00:28:13,900 --> 00:28:17,900
had long suspected she wasn't related to the people who raised her.

430
00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:20,900
The police believe a woman dressed as a nurse kidnapped White

431
00:28:20,900 --> 00:28:24,900
from a New York City hospital in 1987 when she was an infant.

432
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:28,900
It turns out that Carlina White grew up as netty nance.

433
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:33,900
She got pregnant, and in order to get medical insurance, she needed a valid birth certificate.

434
00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:37,900
She went with what she thought was valid, and the officials told her,

435
00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:40,900
this is a forgery. This is not your birth certificate.

436
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:45,900
Netty, she started researching and saw the picture of her as an infant.

437
00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:49,900
That infant on our website strongly resembled her own child,

438
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:52,900
so she thought this possibly could be me.

439
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:56,900
As a result, New York City Police Department arranged for a DNA sample,

440
00:28:56,900 --> 00:28:59,900
and we got the wonderful news that she was in fact Carlina White

441
00:28:59,900 --> 00:29:02,900
living under the name of Nedra Nance.

442
00:29:02,900 --> 00:29:06,900
The FBI says a North Carolina woman who raised a child kidnapped

443
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:11,900
from a New York hospital two decades ago is in custody on a parole violation charge.

444
00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:17,900
Ann Petway, the woman that raised Neddy Nance, ends up getting arrested and charged with kidnapping.

445
00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:20,900
It turns out that Ann Petway had wanted to have children

446
00:29:20,900 --> 00:29:24,900
and had a series of miscarriages and was destroyed over that,

447
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:28,900
and supposedly that was the impetus for her to go and take a baby.

448
00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:33,900
When she was reunited with her biological parents just last week,

449
00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:35,900
it became front page news.

450
00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:38,900
I just always believed that she would find me.

451
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:45,900
It was a blessing to see that it was a good story to hear and know

452
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:48,900
that she was reunited with her family.

453
00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:53,900
The hope is that if it could happen to her, the hope is that it could happen to me too.

454
00:29:53,900 --> 00:29:57,900
When it comes to an infant abduction, we especially have extremely high hopes

455
00:29:57,900 --> 00:30:00,900
that we're going to find these children alive and well.

456
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:06,900
So toddlers like Shane and Christopher, these children could very well be alive today,

457
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:09,900
grown and matured, may even have the families of their own.

458
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:15,900
The forensic artists that work in the forensic imaging unit,

459
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:21,900
we've done close to 7,000 age progressions since 1989 when our unit was founded.

460
00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:26,900
We're trying to come up with the most accurate version of these children as possible

461
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:29,900
because the goal is to bring these children home.

462
00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:34,900
Unfortunately, in a lot of ways, these children are growing up on our computer screens.

463
00:30:36,900 --> 00:30:40,900
So when it came to the Christopher's case, we've had age progressions done of him in the past.

464
00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:46,900
We still feel confident in being able to create what he looks like from age two

465
00:30:46,900 --> 00:30:52,900
to in his late 20s, early 30s, which would be the approximate age of the last age progression that was done.

466
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:56,900
He has a birthmark like on his leg, the right leg.

467
00:30:56,900 --> 00:31:01,900
It's almost like a little figure eight or something, and he'll always have that.

468
00:31:05,900 --> 00:31:11,900
With Shane's case, I had some pretty up-to-date photos of Shane's mother to work from,

469
00:31:11,900 --> 00:31:17,900
and right off the bat, I'm starting to see common family characteristics.

470
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:22,900
This process has been done multiple times for Shane over the years.

471
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:36,900
The first image from two to age 11 to about the age he would be, which is 30.

472
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:40,900
Yeah, he had a skull when he fell down here.

473
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:42,900
Then he got a birthmark.

474
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:46,900
It's like I got a liver on his shoulder.

475
00:31:48,900 --> 00:31:53,900
They had a Christmas tree every year, and the missing kids hanged the pictures up,

476
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:57,900
and they sent them to me once they took the tree down.

477
00:31:57,900 --> 00:32:01,900
Each year, their pictures are just a little different.

478
00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:06,900
This one, when he was about 12, 12 years old,

479
00:32:06,900 --> 00:32:10,900
is the comfort, you know.

480
00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:14,900
This is seeing him around me, you know.

481
00:32:14,900 --> 00:32:17,900
I never give up hope.

482
00:32:17,900 --> 00:32:19,900
I feel he's something out there.

483
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:21,900
I just gotta find it.

484
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:29,900
I hope we wake up and see the lights, see, you know, come and find me, you know.

485
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:31,900
I would hug him and kiss him and say,

486
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:34,900
let's go on a vacation. Let's get away.

487
00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:37,900
Let's go away, just to be with each other, you know.

488
00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:40,900
Spend time together, you know.

489
00:32:40,900 --> 00:32:45,900
We're a lot of, you know, I miss a lot years, so.

490
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:57,900
Next time won't you sing with me.

491
00:32:57,900 --> 00:33:00,900
Don't you sing with me.

492
00:33:00,900 --> 00:33:02,900
Hey, what you singing?

493
00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:06,900
I was raised in Martin Luther King Towers.

494
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:09,900
When I finally got, you know, got together and I moved down.

495
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:12,900
I got come by there, because my mother still lived there.

496
00:33:12,900 --> 00:33:16,900
But for the most part, it was not a happy place like it used to be, no more.

497
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:23,900
I got three grandchildren, and they got an uncle.

498
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:25,900
Hey, D.C.

499
00:33:25,900 --> 00:33:26,900
Come on.

500
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:28,900
And I'm trusting in God.

501
00:33:28,900 --> 00:33:31,900
One day we're going to be reunited.

502
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:34,900
It's hard to know you got a job.

503
00:33:34,900 --> 00:33:38,900
And I have the opportunity to see him grow up.

504
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:44,900
You know, turning 13, turning 14 years old as they changed.

505
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:46,900
I don't have any of that.

506
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:49,900
I've done this 30 years of his life.

507
00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:52,900
This step was neat.

508
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:56,900
We never stopped looking for you, Christopher.

509
00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:57,900
We never stopped.

510
00:33:57,900 --> 00:33:59,900
We never stopped loving you.

511
00:33:59,900 --> 00:34:01,900
We never stopped looking for you.

512
00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:06,900
And we just hope and pray that you okay wherever you at.

513
00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:09,900
God's defense.

514
00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:22,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

515
00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:23,900
I really do.

516
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:29,900
You see it all the time with these cases where kids question where they came from.

517
00:34:29,900 --> 00:34:32,900
And where they question where they came from.

518
00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:35,900
They do a DNA search, maybe we'll get lucky.

519
00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:38,900
Maybe things will fall our way.

520
00:34:38,900 --> 00:34:43,900
Hope for hope that we can reunite these parents and their children.

521
00:35:02,900 --> 00:35:05,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

522
00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:08,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

523
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:11,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

524
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:14,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

525
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:17,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

526
00:35:17,900 --> 00:35:20,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

527
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:23,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

528
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:26,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

529
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:29,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

530
00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:32,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

531
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:35,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

532
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:38,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

533
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:41,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

534
00:35:41,900 --> 00:35:44,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

535
00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:47,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

536
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:50,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

537
00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:53,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

538
00:35:53,900 --> 00:35:56,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

539
00:35:56,900 --> 00:35:59,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

540
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:02,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

541
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:05,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

542
00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:08,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

543
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:11,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

544
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:14,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

545
00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:17,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

546
00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:20,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

547
00:36:20,900 --> 00:36:23,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

548
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:26,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

549
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:29,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

550
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:32,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

551
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:35,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

552
00:36:35,900 --> 00:36:38,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

553
00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:41,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

554
00:36:41,900 --> 00:36:44,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

555
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:47,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

556
00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:50,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

557
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:53,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

558
00:36:53,900 --> 00:36:56,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

559
00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:59,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

560
00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:02,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

561
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:05,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

562
00:37:05,900 --> 00:37:08,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

563
00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:11,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

564
00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:14,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

565
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:17,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

566
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:20,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

567
00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:23,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

568
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:26,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

569
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:29,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

570
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:32,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

571
00:37:32,900 --> 00:37:35,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

572
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:38,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

573
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:41,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.

574
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:44,900
I'm here because I think there's hope.